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The Overthrow of Times New Roman?
News Type: Event — Seeded on Wed Jun 7, 2006 4:25 AM EDT
Article Source: CNET News.comadvertisement
For the last ten years, Times New Roman has been the default font on Microsoft Word. And that has made it the "standard" that most people use, especially those that are strictly home PC users. But the Times New Roman Empire may be crumbling.
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{"commentId":150785,"authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
I am kind of surprised that they choose to replace Times New Roman with a sans serif font.
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- 3 votes
#1 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 10:03 AM EDT{"commentId":150803,"authorDomain":"mediaman"}
This is Microsoft we're talking here. Comic Sans anyone?? ;-)
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{"commentId":150944,"authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
I hate Comic Sans. That's why I joined bancomicsans.com
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- 5 votes
{"commentId":152054,"authorDomain":"luckywabbit"}
Calibri is *not* sans serif.
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{"commentId":152056,"authorDomain":"luckywabbit"}
Doh, I was thinking "Cambria", my bad.
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{"commentId":152372,"authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
Calibri is *not* sans serif.
According to these sources it is a sans serif font.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calibri_(font)
http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/81/PersonalityofFonts.htm
{"commentId":152372,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":161077,"authorDomain":"sphinx"}
Oooooh, Calibri looks nice.
Much better than Times New Roman or that bastard Arial.
I think the evolution from serif to sans-serif makes sense, since (I think) more and more Word documents is now viewed on-screen as opposed to printed. For the screen, sans-serif wins, hands-down.
{"commentId":161077,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"sphinx"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":150797,"authorDomain":"zaki"}
Awesome news. I hate Times New Roman, I'm a huge fan of Verdana.
{"commentId":150797,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"zaki"}
- 3 votes
#2 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 10:15 AM EDT{"commentId":150858,"authorDomain":"greer"}
Verdana is a great font for easy reading on web pages, but I'm not sure I would choose it for business documents.
I like the new fonts. Will the fonts be released for free for everyone that doesn't upgrade to Vista or the new version of Office?
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":150953,"authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
Verdana looks good at a small size but when it gets past 12px it kind of looks ugly in my opinion.
{"commentId":150953,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":151012,"authorDomain":"behindmyscreen"}
you are a student aren't you.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":151500,"authorDomain":"greathoj"}
@Blake Helms:
Verdana looks good at a small size but when it gets past 12px it kind of looks ugly in my opinion.
That's what anti-aliasing is for :)
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{"commentId":151622,"authorDomain":"latino"}
I gotta agree verdana to me looks like crap larger than 12.
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{"commentId":151656,"authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
That's what anti-aliasing is for :)
I don't mean bad quality, I mean bad from a design standpoint.
{"commentId":151656,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":150806,"authorDomain":"jodo"}
In my opinion, Times New Roman went from boring and overused to underrated, its not a bad font. Although, I do prefer Georgia.
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#3 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 10:23 AM EDT{"commentId":152068,"authorDomain":"smallworldpodcast"}
Times New Roman and Helvetica are despised by many because they are boring and over used. But they're over used for a reason. Both Times New Roman and Helvetica are easy to read, elegant but still very neutral.
I love Georgia, for example, but a lot of times when I look at it feels kind of 17th centuryish and makes me think of a font that would be suited for Treasure Island. MS Trebuchett is stylish but is just a tad to sassy for text that is supposed to convey seriousness.
There are a million fonts I could have chosen I like better to make the above example but I decided to go with fonts shipped on both Macs and PCs since that's what most people will use. So the next time you're about to speak ill if Times New Roman and Helvetica* just remember and appreciate why they are so universally used.
*I know I should use Arial in my example but to my mind Arial is an inferior version of Helvetica.
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{"commentId":150900,"authorDomain":"shpigford"}
I love these new fonts and it's refreshing to see Microsoft make a move like this.
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- 2 votes
#4 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 11:27 AM EDT{"commentId":150957,"authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
None of the beat Myriad Pro (The Apple Font) and Optima (The Estée Lauder Lauder Font).
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- 1 vote
#5 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 11:55 AM EDT{"commentId":151256,"authorDomain":"tyhatch"}
Actually, Myriad Pro's installed by Adobe Illustrator. Lucida Grande and Apple Gothic are the Apple sans serifs.
{"commentId":151256,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"tyhatch"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":152370,"authorDomain":"mstickel"}
Here's a little history lesson for you. The older, serif typeface Apple used was specifically designed for them by Adobe. It was called Apple Garamond.
{"commentId":152370,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"mstickel"}
{"commentId":152969,"authorDomain":"tyhatch"}
Yup. Fully aware of that, liked it mucho much back then, now I get to play around with Garamond Premier Pro. Mmm... ligatures and contextual alternates...
The typographic capabilities of Open Type from a designer's pov are really quite wonderful. (And probably deserving of an article all it's own...)
{"commentId":152969,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"tyhatch"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":151062,"authorDomain":"etaoinshrdlu"}
In a similar vein is the excellent article, The Scourge of Arial.
{"commentId":151062,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"etaoinshrdlu"}
- 1 vote
#6 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 1:04 PM EDT{"commentId":151203,"authorDomain":"sstringer"}
My top-5 most-hated fonts of all time (in order):
- Papyrus - poorly proportioned, incredibly overused, but look, it's got rough edges! It must be hip. (Seeing it used as the title font for Medium put this one over the top for me)
- Comic Sans - I've seen this one used in actual print ads. Are you kidding? Curse you, Publisher!
- Arial -
- Verdana - Nothing says, 'You've got mail' like this one!
- Times New Roman - Courier is Dead! Long live the Son-of-Courier!
As a side-rant: One of these days, they'll figure out a viable way to display fonts on web pages, and then we'll start seeing some diversity on the web side. No hope for those default fonts in the word processors, however.
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#7 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 2:31 PM EDT{"commentId":151210,"authorDomain":"sstringer"}
Funny, that was supposed to be, "Arial - ‹zzzzz›"
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{"commentId":151231,"authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
I hate Papyrus! I work with church media and apparently nothing says "Bible Times" like good old Papyrus: The Official Font of Jesus.
I think that the popularity of Comic Sans is the fact that it is the only standard Windows font that is not a plane Jane font.
What about Tahoma? The mere sight of it brings back nightmares of admining Windows 2000.
{"commentId":151231,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"blakehelms"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":151255,"authorDomain":"etaoinshrdlu"}
One of these days, they'll figure out a viable way to display fonts on web pages, and then we'll start seeing some diversity on the web side.
Somebody has come up with a way to use whatever font you want on a webpage. It is a bit of a kludge (uses Flash overlays, IIRC), but it works. It'll never be widely used or accepted, but it is interesting...
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":151271,"authorDomain":"tyhatch"}
What about Tahoma? The mere sight of it brings back nightmares of admining Windows 2000.
((shudder...)) Must supress nightmares of company logos using Tahoma...
Personally, they don't look all too different than Georgia and Verdana/Trebuchet. My guess is Mr. Carter's fee was much higher the second time around so they found some "less expensive" designers to work with.
Don't get me wrong, they're nice looking fonts, and I'm sure there were tons of readability and legibility studies done. The designers did a good job for what they were hired to do, but in the end, I'm not in love with them.
They're nice and appropriate and eventually I'll get them with an Office update on my Mac-maybe-but I'm not going to swoon over them when I have Georgia, Verdana and Lucida Grande...
;)
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{"commentId":151365,"authorDomain":"baxter"}
Etaoin Shrdlu, I'm going to assume you were making a joke there.
For those who don't know, SIFR is quite widely used and accepted, and Mike Davidson, the brainiac behind it, has also had one or two other good ideas.
{"commentId":151365,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"baxter"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":151531,"authorDomain":"etaoinshrdlu"}
Tim, honestly, I didn't realize he was the guy behind Newsvine. When I first came across SIFR, everything I saw about it was talking about how it was very impressive technologically, but that nobody would ever implement it. That was a while ago, though, so I'll take your word about whether people have started using it or not. I also run Firefox (and Camino) with FlashBlock, so I wouldn't know if sites were using SIFR anyways...Thanks for pointing out my major faux pas, though... : p
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{"commentId":151544,"authorDomain":"baxter"}
It can be a bit quirky to use, but there's a LOT of people finding it very useful and using it in a lot of neat ways. The cool part is that people like you don't even know you're missing it. The essence of graceful degradation.
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{"commentId":151775,"authorDomain":"mike"}
{"commentId":151300,"authorDomain":"stevenwandrews"}
I prefer Wingdings or Harvey Balls.
{"commentId":151300,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"stevenwandrews"}
- 2 votes
#8 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 3:14 PM EDT{"commentId":151616,"authorDomain":"latino"}
Gotta love Wingdings :)
{"commentId":151616,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"latino"}
{"commentId":151738,"authorDomain":"Jynne"}
I like to type like I write .... round and fat. I can barely remember what it was like being a teenager, but my handwriting still looks like one! : )
Looking forward to these new fonts.
{"commentId":151738,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"Jynne"}
- 1 vote
#9 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 8:11 PM EDT{"commentId":152087,"authorDomain":"annasebestyen"}
What a relief. Really. TNR meant all the bureaucratic hussle anf the fale sense of weighty business for me.
{"commentId":152087,"threadId":"33441","contentId":"246444","authorDomain":"annasebestyen"}
#10 - Thu Jun 8, 2006 4:23 AM EDT{"commentId":153981,"authorDomain":"mediaman"}
How about a futuristic font to make all documents look modern!?
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